Day 7 – April 12, 2010 Olomouc

We left Prague this morning and arrived in Olomouc, Czech Republic at 1:30 PM on Holocaust Remembrance Day.  Our plans for the day included interviewing three Holocaust survivors, two of whom had never given a recorded testimony and one survivor who was instrumental in re-establishing the Jewish Community of Olomouc.

On our way to the Jewish Communtiy Center our guide gave us a brief tour of the major town square.  At the center we were welcomed by Petr Papousak and leaders of the Jewish community and began setting the stage for the three interviews.  The three survivors arrived, Milos Dobry, Petr Beck and Charles Wolf and after formal introductions the students began the interview process.

The student interview teams were divided into three separate rooms for the interviews and the teachers and Shalmi Barmore circulated through the rooms monitoring the process and offered clarification and support when needed.  Milos Dobry was interviewed by Victoria, Libby, Matt Berner and Tim in the synagogue of the Jewish Community Center.  Milos was a survivor of Theresienstadt, Auschwitz and Sachenhausen and is an active speaker in the Czech schools, universities and community groups.  In fact, Milos is the survivor that we first contacted a few years ago to find the rescuers of the Wolf family in Trsice. In establishing the relationship with Trsice, he has played an integral role.

The next two groups had an opportunity to interview survivors of Theresienstadt and Auschwitz both giving recorded testimony for the first time.  In one group, Erin, Natalie and Nick interviewed Petr Beck and in the other group Kayla, James, Rebecca and Matt Bachman interviewed Charles Wolf.

Prior to the trip, students had been assigned to an interview group and through the use of collaborative internet tools they developed a series of questions for the interview.  Last night, the students engaged in a dialogue with Shalmi who as former Director of Education at Yad Vashem  had extensive experience interviewing Holocaust survivors.  He was able to communicate to students that interviewing a Holocaust survivor is a unique process and requires special skills and sensitivity.

At the conclusion of the interviews, all participants shared a homemade kosher meal which included Challah, Matzoh ball soup and a chicken dish, prepared by the generous members of the Olomouc Jewish Community.

Our students recognized the magnitude of this experience, which is the result of a conversation that we had last year with Petr Papousak.  We were amazed to learn from Petr that there were more than 30 Holocaust survivors in the Olomouc community whom had never told their stories publicly.

From this conversation we continued a dialogue with Petr about preserving their stories by engaging our students annually in an effort to rescue this evidence for future generations. Upon returning to the hotel, students shared their interview experiences while Shalmi and the teachers were able to help students reflect upon the different reactions of the survivors and how the telling of the survivor stories was shaped by their emotions.  After this discussion, students realized that they had become a part of a rare and unique opportunity to preserve history.

Becca says:
Meeting Mr. Wolf was not exactly what I expected; it was so much more.  My first reaction at the beginning of the interview was, “This is going to be a long day!”.  Mr. Wolf was answering our questions with a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’.  He would not expand on any answer unless we specifically requested him to do so.  At first I did not understand why he was being so stubborn and secretive, but afterwards I found out that he had been asked to do this interview last minute after the scheduled survivor became ill this morning.  Mr. Wolf has also never spoken publicly about his experiences before!  Something that caught my attention was when Mr. Wolf explained to us how he “stayed strong” and “kept going”.  The time was during one of the death marches.  He had fallen down and did not want to get back up.  He did and this showed me his strength of character.   Mr. Wolf thought he was lucky for surviving the Holocaust.  Once again, I feel God saved him for a reason.  Even though Mr. Wolf displayed a lot of humor during a serious interview, I think that this could have been his way of coping with his tragic past.  I learned not to assume anything about someone unless you really know everything about him.  Also, no one can totally relate to a Holocaust survivor because it was a real experience our darkest nightmares cannot compare to.
Erin says:
Today my group and I interviewed  Petr Beck, a survivor of Theresienstadt and Auschwitz.  Going into the interview I was very apprehensive and nervous about what would happen when we met Petr, but I knew we had a job to do.  As Petr went more in depth into the story of his life during the Holocaust, I couldn’t help but ask questions and continue to record everything he said, missing nothing.  I felt extremely honored to interview Petr because he shared with us that he had never been interviewed this thoroughly before and never publicly, and told us things that he had not even told his wife and daughters about his experiences.
One moment that stuck with me the most was when I asked him about being liberated and he said that he was not liberated from a death camp but during a death march.  As they walked, people were shot and killed in front of him and he decided to lie down next to their bodies and pretend to be dead.  After dark, he got up and walked away.  Later in the interview he said that he heard about a Czech Red Cross camp in Katawice and he wanted to meet other Czech people.  When he got there he was unexpectedly reunited with his father, who was a doctor working in the camp, who he believed had died during the death march.
I believe opportunities like this come only once in a lifetime and I am just so happy that I was able to hear Petr’s story and share it with others.

Nathali says:

Today I received the chance of a lifetime to meet a Holocaust survivor. Everyone hears about the Holocaust and to most of us it is just facts and statistics. Most people don’t understand or thoroughly comprehend what happened. It’s not until you either see it yourself or hear from someone who was there, that you can truly begin to understand. Today I can say that I have begun to understand. Before today the most I could get from learning about the Holocaust was the numbers, facts and a few theories.

Today I met Petr Beck. When Petr was 15, he, his parents and older brother were deported. Their jobs, the few friends they had, all gone. Petr told his entire story, something he hadn’t told even to his wife of almost 60 years. During his three year imprisonment in Theresienstadt and Auschwitz, he told that he survived because of his profession. Having the skills of an electrician saved his life.

Petr was almost 18, had already lost his mother and older brother to the gas chambers and was almost starving to death. In a desperate attempt to save his life, after eight people in front of him were shot and killed, Petr couldn’t continue on in the death march and in a final attempt to live, he threw himself onto one of the dead bodies before him and pretended to be dead.

My group and Petr were total strangers. We had perhaps a few minutes of informal conversation and soon started the interview. There was nothing that truly obligated him to tell us his difficult story. I believe that he wanted his story to remain as his legacy …a warning to everyone.

The entire interview was surreal to me. I found it hard to believe that someone could go through all that and still sit before me in a collected manner and tell me a part of his life he had not shared with any others. I think that this was very brave of him to do this.

Victoria and Libby say:

Today we were given the wonderful opportunity to hear the story of Holocaust survivor, Milos. Upon meeting Milos, one of the first questions we asked him was “Have you changed your name?” We expected the obvious answer, “No.” Instead he answered that upon liberation he had changed his name from Gut, which is good in German, into Czech, making it Dobry. We were fascinated by this because most Jews ran from their heritage after the Holocaust; however, he embraced it. He denied his name Gut because its association to Germany. The Holocaust allowed Milos to become closer to who he was as a person, which displayed his strength.

Not only did we get to hear his story, we got to interact with history by interviewing and discovering his side of the story. We were honored to experience such a personal interaction because as we all realize today, our generation will be the last to discover for ourselves the truths of the Holocaust. As we saw the emotion on his face, we were in awe by the strength that he demonstrated while telling his story. When we asked him how he survived, he attributed his survival to “80% luck and 20% personal initiative.” We could apply this later on in life to know that we could only rely on ourselves to a certain extent. To display such resilience and to have that strength was part of the reason why he survived.

7 comments

  1. It must have been a great honor to meet and speak with Holocaust survivors about their terrifying past. My jaw dropped in shock while reading about the death marches these people experienced. The fear of being killed, the fear of seeing so many of the same kind dying simply in front of your eyes, the fear of being next, the fear in the eyes of everyone that surrounds you. I can not imagine how it must have been like to even lie among the dead corpses, pretending to be dead. The events are just so cruel and shocking, it must have been hard to talk about. I appreciate the survivors for sharing their stories for it was probably difficult to let out.

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  2. I understand that it would be benificial to talk to these Holocaust surviviors, but at the same time it must be dificult. Knowing all the torture these people were put through and just looking at them now is tough. Their incredible stories stories must have spoke deaply to you guys. I think that if I were to talk about something cruel that happended to me in the past on a scale like this, I would have a rough time too.

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  3. To get a personal interview with a survivor must have been such a wonderful learning experience. To gain all the knowledge that one person has held inside throughout history must be so rewarding. I hope Libby, James, and Mrs. Bauman comes back with this information, like I know they will, and share with us what they know.

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  4. Wow what amazing testimonies! Petr's testimony especially suprised me. The idea that he played dead seems so brilliant and I have never heard of any holocost testimony that said that people did this to survive. Not to mention after the death march had passed that he was brave enough to get up and try to find saftey. And even more miracuously that he was able to find the camp and eventually his father! What a miracle. I wondered how Petr's father got a job as a doctor in this Czech populated area. I wonder what his reaction was when he saw his son alive. What an amazing testimony.

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  5. I would also be very nervouse if i was going to say the right things to the survivor. Getting to meet the survivors makes the experience become so much more real. It is hard to sit there and hear a normal person talk about the experiences they went through, it is so hard to believe

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  6. I thought it was very interesting to hear that the students got to interview two people who had never been interviewed before. That is such a cool experience to be able to be one of the few to have heard that person's story. I liked being able to read about what each student thought about the interviews.

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  7. I think it was great how the students were able to interview survivors after all the new things they've learned on this trip. I'm sure new questions about the Holocaust have acummulated after seeing these places up close and personal. The students are very lucky to have been given the chance to see the holocaust through the unique stories of each survivor.

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